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Critical Concepts in Spinal Imaging, Dr. Stephen J Pomeranz (3-31-20)

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All right, it is now 12:00,

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and we are going to get started.

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So, I just wanted to say hello and welcome to the 7th of

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many live stream noon conferences hosted by MRI Online.

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In response to the changes happening around the world

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right now and the shutting down of in-person events,

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we have decided to provide free daily noon conferences

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to all radiologists worldwide.

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Today we are joined by Dr. Stephen J. Pomeranz.

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He is the founder of MRI Online,

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CEO and medical director of ProScan Imaging.

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He has authored numerous medical textbooks in MRI,

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authored numerous MRI texts,

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including the MRI Total Body Atlas.

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He is an avid conference lecturer,

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chairs fellowship training programs

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in MR and advanced imaging.

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A reminder that there will be time at the

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end of this hour for a Q&A session.

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Please use the Q&A feature to ask these questions and

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we'll get to as many as we can before our time is up.

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That being said, thank you so much for joining us today.

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Dr. P, I will let you take it from here.

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Dr. Pomeranz: Welcome to everybody around the world.

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Hope you're all doing well.

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Today, we're going to talk about

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critical concepts in spine imaging.

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And I'm going to predominantly stay away from disc disease,

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which is a commonly understood subject and

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one that we will cover at a later date.

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Although there will be some description and discussion

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of this matter as it relates to contact or collision events.

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These are my faculty disclosures.

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I have nothing else to declare.

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And I'd like to begin with my first case,

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which is a

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middle-aged individual with back pain.

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And I'm going to scroll on the left,

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a T1 spin echo image.

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In the center, a T2 spin echo image.

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And on the far right,

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I've got a fat suppression proton density image.

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And these three images demonstrate a cardinal MR finding

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in an entity that you should all recognize,

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and that is discovertebral osteomyelitis.

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Now, there are several highlighted abnormalities that make

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this diagnosis and is pathognomonic

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and diagnostic on MRI alone.

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First, on the T1-weighted image,

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we have completely lost the normal endplate.

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I'm going to draw the normal endplate for you,

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or I'm going to highlight it for you

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with a few little tick marks here.

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And the endplate is this very subtle...

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Actually, I'm going to draw it with my little arrow here,

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this very subtle area of low signal intensity right

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there, between the vertebral body and the disc.

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Now, this line is composed of both the cortex and the

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osteochondral endplate. So it's a summation of both.

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And look at how it is completely destroyed on the

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T2 weighted image and completely destroyed

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on the proton density fat suppression image.

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In its wake is an area of diffuse inflammation,

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increased signal in the disc space,

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and an area of prespinous soft tissue inflammation.

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This pattern of endplate destruction.

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And I'm going to scroll a little bit so you get a better feel for it.

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It's typical and diagnostic of discovertebral osteomyelitis

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and allows it to be differentiated from

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microinstability, sterile spondylitis.

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Now, let's go back to our PowerPoint and talk about Discitis.

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I want to focus on three key issues.

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One, understanding the pattern of endplate effacement.

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Regardless of whether the patient

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has had an operation or not,

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this effacement of the endplate is still diagnostic of

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an infectious Discitis and is best appreciated on

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the T1 and the fat-suppressed proton density image.

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Issue number two.

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Discitis is an MRI neuroclinician, neuroimaging diagnosis.

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It is not a diagnosis that you should necessarily

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be making by aspirating the disc space,

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by relying on the sedimentation rate,

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or by relying on the white count. In other words,

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this is an imaging diagnosis.

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And finally,

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what are the constellation of signs for Discitis

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and how to slam the door open,

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making the diagnosis,

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or closed,

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shutting down the diagnosis

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in a patient who has endplate swelling,

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but one of those two diagnoses.

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Now, there are three key findings that allow you to

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differentiate inflammation at the disc endplate complex

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that is infectious versus mechanical or noninfectious.

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The first,

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increased signal in the disc space

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without a vacuum phenomenon favors infectious Discitis.

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Vacuum phenomenon, on the other hand,

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favors sterile spondylotic mechanical disease.

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Number two.

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As already shown,

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endplate destruction or erasure of the end plate

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is typical of discitis versus swelling or edema,

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but still, sharply defined low-endplate signal that is

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marginated by reactive fat in the vertebral body.

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Reactive fat is an excellent sign around the disc endplate

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complex that you are not dealing with an infection.

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Number three.

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Disproportionately long elongated and high signal intensity

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on water-weighted imaging,

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pre and paraspinous masses that does not represent a SPIR

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or fibrous tissue, or a ligament.

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This is another supportive sign of infectious discitis.

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And I'll add one more to that.

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The amount of edema in the vertebral body.

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More than 50% of the vertebral body edematous or even

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holo vertebral edema is typical of infection,

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whereas laminar or linear small volume edema is typical of

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noninfectious mechanical spondylitis.

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Clinically, any patient with inordinate pain that is so severe that

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even bumping the patient or the patient coughing,

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so-called 'Tuss of back pain'

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is typical of infectious discitis.

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Aspiration.

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Sometimes performed in situations

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where you have a walled-off abscess

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is positive only 15% of the time.

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So culture positivity is not going to

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be found in 85% of aspirations.

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So we empirically treat with antibiotics

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based on the MR findings.

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Only occasionally will you feel the need

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to drain a walled-off abscess

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in patients who are immunosuppressed,

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such as diabetics and patients with renal insufficiency.

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Check for air or gas.

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Gas in the soft tissues, bad infection.

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Air in the disc space or air in the facet,

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good, so-called vacuum phenomenon.

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So where the air or gas is located really matters.

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Fourth point.

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MR has a very poor correlation temporarily with

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the clinical improvement of the patient.

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In fact, the patient may get better,

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but the MR may not show improvement

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for six to nine months or more.

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So MR is not necessarily used to ascertain

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the efficacy of antibiotic treatment.

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Perhaps most challenging for the more advanced

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practitioners of you out there

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is the postoperative spine.

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You would think that when someone has a cage placement

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and a fusion that you would get inordinate amounts of

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edema at the disc endplate complex, but in fact,

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you don't.

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And any endplate and what I call non-marginated

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vertebral edema, which I'm going to show you,

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should be viewed with suspicion, even around cages.

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Let's take this case.

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Sagittal T1-weighted image on the left.

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Sagittal T2-weighted image on the right.

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The cages are obvious as oblong areas of low signal intensity.

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But look at the vertebral signal.

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Look at a normal vertebra, the T2-weighted image,

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not as valuable

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for T2 imaging is not that water-sensitive.

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But compare L3 with the subtle loss of vertebral signal,

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the entire vertebra, holo vertebral edema

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should absolutely not be present, even with this cage.

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And look at the loss of the endplate

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low signal intensity stripe,

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and it's even more severe and worse at L5.

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Yes, the simple T1-weighted image,

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any scanner can do it,

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tells the story of non-marginated edema with loss of

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the disc endplate complex or linear low signal stripe,

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both at L4-5 and L3-4

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in a patient who has sustained

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a postoperative infection.

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Contrast-enhanced MRI has limited value in this setting.

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In expert hands,

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one should be able to make and differentiate

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the diagnosis of sterile reactive edema

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and sterile reactive endplate change

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from infectious destructive aggressive

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discovertebral osteomyelitis.

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So it's not that often that we feel the need to deliver

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contrast, and you can see that it doesn't add a lot.

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It does show enhancement of this prespinous mass,

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which was present on the non-contrast portion of the study.

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It shows enhancement of the disc,

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it shows enhancement of the vertebral bodies,

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but so what? It adds nothing to the diagnosis.

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Let's take a look at

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noninfectious discospondylitis.

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The first thing you should note

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is the listhesis present at L4 on L5,

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on the Sagittal T1 and proton density

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fat suppression image.

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The very presence of listhesis should make you

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suspicious that these changes are mechanical.

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Now, at first glance,

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you might assume that the disc endplate

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complex is effaced or erased.

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But when you look at the water-weighted image,

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you actually can still see it on the right.

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And above it is a linear area of edema.

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The rest of the vertebral body is relatively low in signal.

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And even around that low signal intensity area,

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is a high signal-intensity area of fat.

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Fat marginating this area of low signal on T1

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is a very strong sign as opposed to a fadeaway.

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In musculoskeletal MRI,

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we call this a narrow zone of transition abnormality,

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whereas in our postoperative patient,

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you saw a wide zone of transition edema.

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This is a critical differentiator of infection

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from mechanical inflammation.

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And in this case,

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we do have mechanical inflammation.

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So we do have a high signal intensity disc.

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So the disc signal, in this case,

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doesn't necessarily help us, but everything else does.

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And at the bottom,

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you have a summation of all of the findings that support

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the diagnosis, not of infectious discitis,

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but of sterile mechanical discospondylitis.

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Sometimes in patients like that, we'll actually do

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standing lateral flexion and extension views, to see just

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how unstable they are.

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Here's the T2 weighted image.

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You saw the T1 and the proton density fat suppression.

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Look how bland appearing the T2 weighted image is.

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On the T2 weighted image,

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the disc is not so bright anymore, is it?

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There's no disc abscess.

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There's no real disc swelling on the T2.

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We do see the low signal intensity of the endplate.

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And the vertebral edema that we saw an infectious discitis

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is not visible on the T2 weighted image.

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Although, T2 signal intensity of the vertebral bodies

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is a very variable finding,

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it's less reliable than the pattern of edema on

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the proton density, fat suppression, SPIR, STIR,

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SPAIR or special images, which are required

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in the assessment of the spine,

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especially when you're looking for discovertebral osteomyelitis.

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So T2 alone with T1 is not sufficient.

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Here's a dramatic example.

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At the L3-L4 level,

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we have completely lost the disc endplate complex.

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We have holo vertebral edema at L3 and L4.

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We have soft tissue masses anteriorly and posteriorly.

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We see the normal disc endplate complexes

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at more proximal levels,

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low signal intensity as a stripe all

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the way from anterior to posterior,

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even at this level where a small node exists.

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Now, let's go to the T2 weighted image.

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We already said that the pattern of vertebral edema

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on the T2 weighted image is not reliable in discriminating

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whether you have infectious or non-infectious inflammation.

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But the pattern of disc anatomy,

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endplate anatomy and disc signal is,

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you saw a T2 weighted image in a

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mechanical spondylitic case that

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was low in the disc space.

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But now you see this puffy area of signal alteration

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that has completely destroyed and effaced the center of

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the disc endplate complex with the vertebral bodies

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low above and below,

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and some inflammation that is extending anteriorly.

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This is the typical pattern that one sees in chronic

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discovertebral osteomyelitis on the T2 spin echo image,

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even though fat suppression is on board.

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Now, let's turn to the all-important proton density

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fat suppression, SPIR, SPAIR, or Special image.

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It's an edema party. It's an edema explosion.

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Look at the center of that disc space.

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This is all inflammatory material.

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And sometimes you can even have an abscess or pus

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that may require aspiration,

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but that's the minority of cases.

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The disc is completely destroyed.

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You're not seeing an endplate here.

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You're seeing what's left of the cortex-to-cortex.

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The disc and endplate are now completely gone.

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And anteriorly,

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there's a tremendous amount of swelling that is

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not fibrous tissue. It's not just a SPIR.

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It's not just a ligament. It's inflammatory material.

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So the end is up on this diagnosis, namely,

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discovertebral osteomyelitis.

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We've given you some cardinal signs to differentiate it

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from sterile mechanical spondylitis.

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Let's move on, shall we?

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I'd like to turn our attention to example number two.

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So now I have three sagittal images.

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A sagittal T1,

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a sagittal T2,

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and a sagittal proton density fat suppression image

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in a 14-year-old who is complaining of chronic back pain.

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He plays American football,

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not European football or soccer.

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And he also wrestles,

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both sports that involve hyperextension activities.

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What's another sport that involves hyperextension activities?

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Gymnastics.

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I'm sure you've all seen women on the beam.

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These are individuals who are very prone

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to this diagnosis. So, let's scroll.

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Let me see if I can get my pointer working.

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But while we're scrolling,

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I'm going to ask you to look at every single laminal

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pedicle complex. On the left is a T1.

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In the middle is a T2.

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On the right is the PD SPIR

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Keep looking.

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I'm going to scroll from right to left,

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and you should see a change in the signal intensity at one level.

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And that is L4 right there.

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Now, let's see if I can get my pen working here.

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Take a run at it.

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I'm going to draw it for you.

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And here we go. Right there.

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Nice high signal intensity

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throughout the pedicle laminal complex.

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Let's take that even one step further.

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Right there, where my pointer is,

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does everyone see the crack?

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I'll bet you do.

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Not so easy to see on the T2-weighted image.

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Not as easy to see on the T1-weighted image,

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but present.

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Excuse me.

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Present involving the upper cortical surface

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of the L4 lamina pedicle complex.

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What are the two most common causes of back pain

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in a 14-year-old who's involved in sports?

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They are facet arthropathy or facet inflammation,

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capsulitis, and spondylolysis syndrome.

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This is Spondylolysis Syndrome.

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Now let's see if I can tactfully get out of my drawing tool

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and do some clearing here.

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And now let's bring down a couple of other images.

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Let's bring down our axial. Let's scroll the axial.

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And I'm going to focus on the T1 axial.

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I want you to keep looking because a very confusing

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thing for many young radiologists and

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non-neuroradiologists, is differentiating

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a swollen facet from true spondylolysis.

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Now, this arc shape with intermediate signal intensity

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is the cartilaginous unit of the right facet.

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There's the slightly irregular cartilaginous

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unit of the left facet.

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And then as we scroll up, right there is a crack.

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Right there is sclerosis with your crack.

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I'm going to blow it up for you.

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Everybody see the crack right there?

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There it is.

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It's horizontal.

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Now let's go back to our facet. The facet is arc-shaped.

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Facet.

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Crack.

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Horizontal crack with sclerosis,

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facet arcuate shaped with cartilage intervening.

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Now, let's return to our PowerPoint.

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Let's talk about spondylolysis.

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I'm trying to feed you information that you can't

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necessarily get out of the book.

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Yes, you can study spondylolysis in a book,

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but what you don't hear about is the overuse and abuse

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of CT lumbosacral spine with obliques and nuclear

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bone scintigraphy to make this diagnosis.

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Would you want three millisieverts or one year's worth

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of background radiation with the target organ being the

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testes and the ovaries delivered to your child?

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To your teenage child?

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Of course not.

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And these patients,

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not only do they get an X-ray or a CT or a nuclear study,

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they get them again and again and again to see if it's healed.

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A big mistake.

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Let's stop radiating our children for this diagnosis.

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I'm going to talk about the four stages of spondylolysis

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that occur in bone as point number two.

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And as point number three,

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I want to emphasize, in every child,

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in every adolescent,

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in every individual where you suspect this diagnosis,

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the T2-weighted image, even with fat suppression,

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doesn't cut the mustard. It is not sufficient.

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You must have proton density, STIR, SPIR, SPAIR, Special,

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or an equivalent with the fat very black to

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pick up some of the most subtle cases.

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And here I put a nice white arrow to highlight a step off

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of the lamina pedicle complex of L5 in a patient

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with spondylolysis syndrome,

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but as yet no listhesis.

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There are three subtypes of anterolisthesis

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you're going to encounter.

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Traumatic.

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In other words, a single acute traumatic event

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that is not what we call a stress-type form of anterolisthesis.

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These patients often have fractures or ligamentous

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injuries, which you have to search for.

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Now, I bring this up for a very important reason.

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If you have a traumatic listhesis in the neck or in the

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thoracic region, you must get an MRI before reducing it.

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Before you put the head in tongs and distract the neck,

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you need an MRI for the following reason.

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back in place, what if you have a disc extrusion?

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You now push the disc extrusion into the cord and you

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can paralyze the patient.

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MR in the cervical thoracic region

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in a traumatic listhesis is required

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for this very reason.

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The next type of anterolisthesis is

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apophyseal related listhesis.

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Related to swollen distended facets.

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This should prompt a lateral standing flexion and

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extension view to see just how unstable the patient is.

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On the axial MRI,

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there are two signs that will help you.

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One, the facets will appear wide and distended,

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and they'll appear bright.

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I refer to this as the distended facet sign.

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And two, the patient will have not foraminal stenosis,

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but central canal stenosis in this type of listhesis.

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And then we go to spondylolysis-related listhesis,

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also known as spondylolisthesis.

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These patients have that horizontal defect

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that I showed you and foraminal stenosis,

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but the center of the canal is spared and may even

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appear widened or stretched from anterior to posterior.

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Now, let's talk about the stages of stress injury

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that occur not, in the back alone,

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but also in the tibia

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and just about everywhere else in the body.

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Let's have a look.

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And I'm going to do a little drawing here.

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Assuming my drawing tool works.

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Let me give it a try.

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Give me 1 second to load it up here.

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This is a little new for me.

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Sorry.

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Let me take one more shot at it.

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Well, it's not going to function for me,

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but there are four stages of stress injury.

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Stage one, edema.

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Stage two,

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a crack in the bone in the medullary bone.

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Stage three,

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it involves or transgresses one cortex.

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And stage four,

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both cortices are involved. Is this important?

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It is important because patients that are in stage four

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are much more likely to slip if you let them continue with sport.

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The treatment for this disorder,

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which is an overuse stress phenomenon in

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individuals that have longer pedicles,

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is rest, and the rest periods are longer with higher

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grades of abnormality.

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Let's have a look.

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The sagittal T1-weighted image at the L4 level

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shows the lamina pedicle complex. And right there,

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a vertical line goes right into the cortex.

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So it involves one cortical surface

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and some of the medullary bone.

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On the water-weighted image,

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the edema is highlighted and obvious when you

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compare the L5 and L3 levels.

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A dark piggy,

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a dark piggy and a white piggy with a vertical line in it

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as a very small early stress fracture that is

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incomplete, involving the superior cortical surface,

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so-called grade 2 to 3 spondylolysis syndrome.

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Here's one that's more complete.

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This is a sagittal T2-weighted image.

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Now, I said that proton density fat suppression

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imaging is essential, and it is.

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But the T2-weighted image may make it a little

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easier to see the actual line, not the edema.

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So for pure detection, especially in the early stages,

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you've got to have the PD fat suppression,

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but the T2 can add some information.

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And in this case,

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you see a line going all the way from superior cortical

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surface to inferior cortical surface in this patient

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with stage 4 spondylolysis syndrome.

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And here again, is our arc-shaped facet, which is normal,

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highlighted by our green arrow.

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And with our squiggly white arrow is our transverse

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low signal intensity spondylolysis fracture,

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surrounded by sclerosis.

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Spondylolysis,

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horizontal facet arc-shaped.

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So the end is up on this diagnosis.

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Let's stop radiating teenagers, adolescents,

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and young patients and start using the proper

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examination to diagnose spondylolysis,

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which is MRI with T1 and heavy water weighting.

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Let's turn now to example number three,

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and this time I'm going to display the abnormality initially

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as a video.

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We're going to talk about contact

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impact and collision injuries.

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But I want to focus on, first, contact

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impact as it relates to sport.

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And then I'll transition to more high velocity collision

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injuries as might occur with an NBA.

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Although I will admit, in patients,

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in individuals who are playing professional sport,

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two men that weigh 150 kilos or more colliding with each

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other is the equivalent of a 30-mile-an-hour car collision.

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But let's have a look and see what happened here.

28:29

My beloved Cincinnati Bengals are playing

28:32

the Cleveland Browns, two Ohio teams,

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and one of our players is coming in to hit their player.

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And you can see the head to shoulder contact.

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It doesn't really look like much,

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but understanding the mechanism

28:48

of injury is so important.

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And I ask you,

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is this a hyperextension injury

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or a hyperflexion injury?

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And I think most of you would say hyperflexion.

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Watch one more time in slow motion,

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which would make you think about flexion teardrop,

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burst fractures, compression fractures.

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So, let's tackle these three issues in contact sport

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before we go on to high-velocity collision events.

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Ligaments, stingers, and hyperacute blood.

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Let's make a few definitions.

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First definition: What's a cord concussion?

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And this gentleman sustained one.

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Transient loss of motor

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and/or sensory function for less than 30 minutes

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unassociated with an MR abnormality

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on standard imaging.

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In other words,

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a normal MRI is part of the definition

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of a clinical cord concussion.

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Fortunately, as you'll see,

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this gentleman recovered neurologic function

29:58

fully in less than 30 minutes,

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although his injury was substantial.

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A stinger.

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A stinger is a root concussion.

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It's characterized by transient burning in a dermatome

30:13

at the time of contact.

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It's a peripheral nerve injury.

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The nerve itself is normal unless you use

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specialized imaging such as MR Neurography.

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But there are indirect signs that

30:27

you will need to evaluate.

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Let's begin with ligaments of the neck.

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Here's our young man in his early 20s.

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This was one of his first games playing,

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and he's a 250-pound man,

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about 110 kilos or so.

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This is a sagittal T2-weighted image in our open

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MRI in the stadium.

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He went right into the MRI,

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and it's pretty good image quality considering open MRI,

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acutely injured individual with a large, thick neck.

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And it shows the posterior longitudinal ligament.

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Take a look at it.

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It's contiguous, but stretched out a bit.

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And the anterior longitudinal ligament gone.

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There's no black line that should normally

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be present right there, as there is here.

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That black line is missing.

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The anterior longitudinal ligament is ruptured.

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A burst fracture has occurred in the anterior

31:28

half of the C6 vertebral body.

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And he also had some posterior soft tissue injuries

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that are beyond the scope of our discussion today.

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Here's the sagittal T1-weighted image.

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There is the burst.

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There is the broken floppy ligament.

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And here is another image showing a tear in the anterior

31:50

longitudinal ligament in this individual who sustained

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a hyperflexion impact injury that led eventually to a

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fusion and graft.

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It ended his career, unfortunately,

32:05

and he became a very successful broadcaster.

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So, ligaments, the soft tissues are a strength of MRI,

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and not just the anterior longitudinal ligament,

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the posterior longitudinal ligament,

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the ligamentum flavum, the interspinous ligaments,

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the supraspinous ligaments.

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We're going to show you some examples

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of those a little bit later on.

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Let's turn our attention now to stingers in the neck.

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This can occur in any contact sport,

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especially sports where people lead with their head.

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American football,

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rugby,

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Australian rules football.

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The incidence of spondylosis in patients with stingers

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is higher than those without, even in teenagers.

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Give me an 18-year-old with a stinger

32:55

and I'll show you premature degenerative disease.

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The re-stinger rate in collision athletes

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is astounding.

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It's 80%.

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MRI and CT are combined to evaluate stingers for

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detailed evaluation of foraminal opening size.

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And MR is used for assessment of soft disc disease.

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So together, they give you soft and hard assessments.

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Hard bone assessment, CT.

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Soft disc assessment,

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and ligamentous assessment, MRI.

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If the patient has a disc, central stenosis,

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or foraminal stenosis and a stinger,

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and the stinger has recurred more than twice,

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that patient is a candidate for intervention,

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foraminotomy or even disc space fusion.

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One measurement technique,

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and I'm not a big measuring guy,

33:53

because it takes a lot of time and can be inefficient,

33:56

is the Torg-Pavlov ratio.

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And we use this in athletes.

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It's the ratio of the vertebral body at its midpoint

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to the ratio of the canal.

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Or said another way,

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the blue interval divided by the white interval.

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Now normally, this should be greater than 1.2.

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1.0 - 1.2 is mild.

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And you can see as it decreases...

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So as this space gets smaller

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and this space gets bigger,

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the Torg-Pavlov ratio goes down.

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Patients with 0.7 or below have a very high stinger rate.

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The people with a ratio of blue to white

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of 0.6 or less, should not participate in contact sport.

34:43

There are other techniques that come out of Korea

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to assess the stinger and cord concussion risk,

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but those are beyond the scope of our discussion today.

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And I'm just going to share with you today

34:56

the commonly employed Torg-Pavlov ratio.

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Here's an example of a professional athlete who has,

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what's known as Speartackler's Neck.

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He leads with his head,

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premature extensive degenerative disc disease and spondylosis.

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And look how the CT myelogram, which, by the way,

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we no longer use.

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We use MR myelography,

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combined with non-contrast CT,

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but in this case, an older one,

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showing the extent of foraminal stenosis,

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which is incredibly severe on the right

35:30

and moderate to severe on the left,

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with the facement of the cord and thecal sac in this MR

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myelogram. But CT for the skeleton,

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MR for the soft tissues.

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Here's another one.

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This is a famous American who played the position of

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linebacker, which is a defensive position.

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A large man,

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a little bit over 120 kilo, and he had already had,

35:55

playing at the professional level, two fusions.

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And it's done very well.

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He played for three years with these fusions.

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And now he presents, not with a cord concussion,

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but with a stinger.

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And there is his soft disc extrusion seen on

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the T1 and on the center T2 weighted image.

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So MR for the soft abnormalities,

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CT for the bony abnormalities,

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to assess central stenosis, acquired discs,

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and foraminal stenosis in the young

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vigorous athlete who has stingers.

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The next subject I want to cover is hyperacute blood.

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Hyperacute blood, I lumped in with sport,

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but it can occur from a number of conditions.

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The reason that I'm talking about hyperacute blood in

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a spine talk is because you're never going to see

36:52

hyperacute blood in the brain or in the body.

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And the reason is,

36:56

they're not on the MRI scanner fast enough.

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When you bleed in the brain,

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the bleed may be silent.

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In fact, it may be silent for 6 hours, 12 hours, a day,

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sometimes chronic subdural weeks on end.

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But in the spine,

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just the smallest amount of blood can

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produce neurologic compromise.

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And you've only got 3 hours to

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get to that cord and save it.

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So that patient is going to be on the table really quickly.

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That's why it's appropriate to talk about hyperacute

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blood from any cause in a spine talk that is

37:34

focused on unique scenarios.

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Like this one.

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This is from our Total Body Atlas, and...

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Sorry.

37:41

This is from our Craniospinal book from 1990.

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But it still holds up the evolution of blood.

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Blood on T1 imaging goes from black to white,

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from the acute to the chronic phase,

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over about 3 to 14 days.

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Now, what about hyperacute blood?

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Hyperacute blood is less than 3 hours old.

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Hyperacute blood may look like protonaceous fluid.

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It can be dark or gray.

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So it doesn't really look like blood.

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In fact, it's hard to recognize blood

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until you see methemoglobin

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staining on the T1 weighted image,

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which is displayed here at about four days.

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That's why we have T2 weighted imaging.

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Let's see what happens to blood on the T2-weighted image.

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Let's just talk acute to chronic for a minute.

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Acute blood, let's say blood that's three days old,

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two days old, maybe even a day old,

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will have some black signal intensity on the T2-weighted image

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because of the intact red cells harboring deoxyhemoglobin

38:54

and methemoglobin, intracellularly,

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it produces preferential T2 shortening.

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This is the cardinal finding that one sees in acute blood,

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and eventually it matures to white and may or may

39:08

not be surrounded by siderotic low signal intensity material.

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But what about hyperacute blood?

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Blood that's less than 3 hours old?

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It looks like water.

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Now, if we go back to our T1-weighted image for a minute,

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intermediate to low on T1, high on T2,

39:27

you're not going to recognize it as blood.

39:30

Now, what if you get to the patient at about hour three?

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The blood has to go from white to black at some point, right?

39:39

So what if the blood is now going

39:42

through a shade of gray?

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Then it'll be gray to dark on T1 and gray on T2

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if you catch it in this transition period.

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And so, it may look like a mass.

39:59

It won't have the characteristics you've

40:01

come to know and love related to blood.

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This is such an important trick

40:07

because if you think it's a mass,

40:09

you may not rush the patient to

40:11

the operating room in time.

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Let's have a look.

40:15

This young woman, the sister of a famed,

40:19

well-respected orthopedic surgeon,

40:21

calls her brother in the middle of the night

40:24

and tells him, with her husband on the phone,

40:26

that she can't move her arms and legs.

40:28

So this wasn't a sport case,

40:30

but it illustrates hyperacute blood.

40:33

On the axial T1 weighted image,

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the signal intensity is gray.

40:37

The cord is over here,

40:40

pushed to the viewer's right, the patient's left.

40:45

What is the signal intensity on the T2-weighted image?

40:50

This is the proton density image,

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which we don't use so much anymore.

40:53

But look at the T2-weighted image,

40:56

the signal intensity is gray.

40:59

You are just reaching that threshold where you are going

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from the hyperacute phase to the acute phase.

41:05

And on the T2-weighted image,

41:07

you're passing through this gray phase.

41:10

So if you were not an expert,

41:12

if you weren't on your game,

41:14

you might have called this a meningioma or a mass,

41:17

or a lesion, but not fresh blood, which it is,

41:21

and it got evacuated immediately.

41:24

And today, she is asymptomatic with no neurologic sequelae.

41:30

She was pregnant at the time.

41:31

And this is spontaneous epidural hematoma of pregnancy.

41:35

But this is what hyperacute blood will look

41:37

like from any collision type of event.

41:43

Let's compare hyperacute blood with acute blood.

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There's a T1-weighted image,

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acute blood,

41:52

low in signal intensity on T1,

41:55

just like the diagram.

41:57

On T2,

41:58

because there's intracellular deoxy and methemoglobin,

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low signal intensity.

42:05

Dark signal,

42:07

acute blood,

42:08

subdural,

42:10

time for an evacuation.

42:13

Compare that with chronic blood.

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Chronic blood is bright on T1 and bright on T2.

42:20

That one is easy.

42:24

Now let's talk about collision

42:26

higher impact injuries.

42:28

Although many of these sport injuries are pretty

42:30

high impact, as we alluded to earlier.

42:32

Let's tackle these three issues.

42:34

Traumatic discs,

42:36

whiplash, and as time allots,

42:38

cerebrospinal fluid leaks from dural tears.

42:43

Let's start out with traumatic discs.

42:48

Traumatic discs have a much greater

42:50

likelihood of bleeding.

42:53

Traumatic discs often extrude into the longitudinal ligament,

42:58

into their layers along with blood.

43:02

This acute blood,

43:03

if imaged in the first three to seven days after

43:07

the motor vehicle accident or event,

43:09

will be, as you saw in our subdural,

43:13

dark on T2.

43:16

Now, there are other signals that may be dark on a spine MRI,

43:22

including fast flow in veins,

43:25

fast flow in vessels and arteries,

43:27

calcification.

43:28

Air in an HNP.

43:31

Bleeding in the posterior longitudinal ligament.

43:34

Bleeding in the disc itself acutely

43:37

and calcified disc fragments.

43:40

Calcification of a disc fragment

43:42

may take four to six months,

43:44

as you'll get asked this question a lot

43:47

by the medical legal community.

43:48

But the presence of blood in a disc related to a motor

43:53

vehicle accident, or other high-velocity trauma,

43:55

has medical, but also medical-legal implications.

44:00

Here's a T2 and a heavily fat-suppressed,

44:03

water-weighted image on the right.

44:05

There's your disc extrusion subligamentous imposition.

44:09

It's better seen here on the right.

44:11

It's elliptical in shape,

44:13

but it's dark in signal intensity,

44:15

demonstrating its time course of three-day-old

44:19

blood in a patient who sustained an MVA.

44:24

Darkened signal intensity representing acute hemorrhage.

44:28

If you're unsure about whether you're

44:30

looking at calcification,

44:31

there's no crime in getting one limited level CT.

44:34

And this may support a medical legal scenario,

44:37

but also a clinical scenario.

44:39

But most of the time,

44:41

with the swelling that's present in the history

44:43

as well as the patient's neurologic status,

44:46

you should be able to glean that this

44:48

is blood and not calcification.

44:51

Whiplash.

44:53

Whiplash used to be a clinical term.

44:58

A sore neck,

45:00

a stiff neck,

45:01

decreased range of motion after a velocity

45:05

event or a deceleration event.

45:10

I use this pattern of posterior-to-anterior search in Whiplash.

45:15

I look for subcutaneous fat tears,

45:18

supraspinous ligament tears, interspinous ligament,

45:21

ligamentum flavum, anterior longitudinal ligament,

45:24

posterior longitudinal ligament, the disc, the cord,

45:28

the dura, and the skeletal pattern of injury,

45:32

to determine what I'm dealing with.

45:36

Here are three heavily water-weighted images.

45:39

And yes, the patient has sustained compression injuries

45:42

in the upper thoracic region,

45:45

illustrating that this was a high-velocity impact event.

45:49

But look at the other findings that include injury

45:54

and tearing of the subcutaneous fat,

45:57

a rent in the supraspinous ligament.

46:00

Right there.

46:01

And areas of interspinous ligament injury.

46:04

Right there.

46:06

Whiplash now has a soft tissue correlate on MRI,

46:11

but it must be evaluated using heavily

46:14

water-weighted sequences.

46:16

Once again, the proton density, fat suppression,

46:19

SPIR, STIR, SPAIR, or special.

46:24

The last subject I want to cover are dural tears.

46:29

Dural tears may sometimes be associated with

46:32

cord herniations through the dural tears,

46:34

but we're not going to cover that today.

46:37

We're going to cover a dural tear with leaking of the

46:41

cerebrospinal fluid through the tear

46:43

as it occurred anteriorly.

46:47

Here it is in the sagittal projection.

46:49

If you just glance at this image, first take,

46:54

you won't see anything wrong.

46:56

You've got the cord,

46:58

you've got the posterior intradural space,

47:00

and you've got the anterior intradural space.

47:03

Well, wrong.

47:05

That's the anterior intradural space.

47:07

This is all extradural fluid that has leaked out.

47:12

This is a patient with a pseudomeningocele,

47:15

and these often occur as a manifestation of a high

47:20

velocity traumatic event.

47:21

Here's another one.

47:22

Cord intrathecal anterior space,

47:27

intrathecal posterior space,

47:29

extrathecal extradural collection from a tiny little

47:34

leak with an associated traumatic disc extrusion.

47:38

And here it is on the CT myelogram.

47:41

There's the tiny little rent right there.

47:43

The CSF has extruded

47:45

or leaked out into the anterior extradural space.

47:49

This is extrathecal.

47:50

This is intrathecal.

47:53

That is the cord.

47:54

That is intrathecal.

47:56

And there's also blood in the posterior intrathecal space.

48:01

And yet here's another one.

48:03

This one has leaked out anteriorly and crept out

48:06

to the viewer's right, the patient's left.

48:09

And the patient has sustained a cord injury

48:13

with siderotic hypointensity in the

48:15

anterior aspect of the cord.

48:18

So you should be suspicious of a leak,

48:20

whether it's traumatic or surgical.

48:23

And sometimes, surgeons can produce the leak by tearing

48:27

the dura when the collection is eccentric,

48:30

especially when it surrounds the cord or extends anteriorly.

48:35

When the epidural veins,

48:37

which distend to fill the low pressure

48:39

of the intrathecal space are conspicuous.

48:44

When the cord retracts towards the collection,

48:47

when there's mass effect or pressure due to a ball valve

48:51

phenomenon, when there are orthostatic headaches,

48:54

the patient lies down, they feel good.

48:57

They get up

48:58

and they have the most excruciating

49:00

bifrontal superorbital headache.

49:03

When the cerebellar tonsils are sagging,

49:07

when the optic chiasm is sagging in the brain on the

49:11

sagittal cervical spine MRI,

49:13

if these happen to be seen,

49:14

and if you can catch the pituitary on a cervical MRI,

49:18

it will be large,

49:20

as the patient has intracranial hypotension.

49:25

So before I summarize,

49:27

I'm going to do a little wardrobe change here

49:29

because Dave Yousem did once.

49:30

And you know, I'm a copycat.

49:32

And I'm putting on my father's World War II hat

49:37

from the 351st Bomb Group.

49:40

He was also a member of the 10th Mountain Division,

49:43

the greatest generation.

49:44

He gave his life for this country.

49:46

And let's summarize.

49:48

Discitis.

49:50

We talked about the signs,

49:52

especially destruction of the endplate.

49:56

It's an imaging neuroclinician neuroimaging diagnosis,

50:00

not a laboratory diagnosis,

50:02

most of the time.

50:04

Spondylolysis, read it.

50:07

Get the right sequences.

50:09

Proton density fat suppression,

50:11

stage it,

50:13

and please, don't radiate it.

50:16

Contact sport.

50:17

You saw ligamentous injuries,

50:19

including the anterior longitudinal ligament.

50:23

You learned about cord concussions.

50:25

You learned about root concussions known as stingers.

50:29

And we took a moment to talk about this pitfall of

50:33

hyperacute blood that can be misconstrued for a mass.

50:37

And then we finished with a flurry, talking about

50:40

collision types of events at high velocity with

50:44

traumatic discs that bleed the many faces of Whiplash

50:48

and CSF leaks and their signs.

50:51

I'll take any questions.

50:53

Thanks for your attention and regards to all

50:56

of you around the world who are listening.

51:00

Thank you. Dr. P.

51:01

Let's get up your questions for you.

51:08

Now, I can read these to you,

51:10

or can you see your question-and-answer

51:11

panel down at the bottom?

51:13

I can try, but I cannot see it.

51:16

Okay, I'll just read them off to you.

51:20

Dr. Pomeranz, what do you mean disc endplate complex?

51:24

What structures are included in this?

51:27

Okay, let's see if I can get my drawing tool to work.

51:38

Okay, so let's draw a vertebral body,

51:43

and let's draw one next to it.

51:46

And then in between the vertebral body,

51:47

we're going to have a disc.

51:52

So let's make our disc blue.

51:54

Here we go.

51:56

Now, making up the disc endplate complex,

51:59

because we can't separate these out,

52:01

except with extremely high resolution,

52:04

are three layers.

52:06

And those three layers are going to include,

52:09

they're going to include the annulus fibrosis,

52:11

which I'm going to make in yellow.

52:13

So it's going to be dark around the periphery of the disc.

52:16

So the annulus is included in that.

52:20

Then just above that,

52:22

we're going to have the osteochondral endplate in green.

52:29

And then beyond that,

52:30

we have the cortex of the vertebra, which is in red.

52:34

So you're actually looking at three structures there.

52:36

That's why I call it a complex.

52:38

The annulus, the osteocartilaginous endplate,

52:42

and the cortex.

52:43

All of these are destroyed with that puffy exploding

52:47

disc sign that I showed you in my example,

52:51

in multiple examples of disco vertebral osteomyelitis.

52:56

Next question.

52:58

What is the slice thickness recommended in

53:01

sagittal images to detect spondylolysis?

53:07

Well, I don't have a specific thickness.

53:10

I prefer to have three-millimeter cuts.

53:13

But if you've got quality contrast resolution,

53:17

in other words,

53:18

a great quality STIR and a great quality T1,

53:22

which you can do at any field strength,

53:24

5 mm will get the job done.

53:27

So the answer is 5 mm,

53:29

but I prefer three.

53:30

And on some of my high field systems,

53:33

I often use T2 isotropic fast spin echo

53:38

with 1.2-millimeter slices.

53:40

But this is not a requirement by any stretch

53:43

of the imagination.

53:44

Five is the number.

53:48

This one simply says,

53:49

"Infection versus charcot spine."

53:52

I don't know if you have any commentary on that.

53:54

Yes, infection versus charcot spine.

53:57

Well, first, people with charcot spine

54:00

will have a reason for their charcot spine.

54:03

They don't just have it and show up with it.

54:05

So there's usually a clinical tip-off.

54:07

But unfortunately,

54:08

people with charcot spine also get infected.

54:11

So I'm going to use this same diagram and I'm going to

54:15

draw something that may be conceptually

54:17

a little difficult to conceive.

54:20

But when somebody has a charcot anything,

54:23

whether it's a foot or a spine, it's a very etched,

54:26

jagged edge to the charcot interface.

54:30

Whereas when somebody has an infection,

54:34

it is kind of an ill-defined sort of fade away pattern

54:38

of edema where you completely lose the edges,

54:41

you lose the signal intensity of even fragmented,

54:45

fractured cortices.

54:46

So this jagged appearance charcot,

54:50

this erasure fading appearance infection,

54:53

and sometimes they coexist when you

54:56

have charcot with an infection.

54:58

I just had such a case in one of my former

55:01

attendings about a year and a half ago.

55:03

So it's an excellent question.

55:05

Next.

55:07

How do you differentiate between dyscitis osteomyelitis

55:10

and mets or focal tumors, such as plasma cytoma?

55:17

Well, that one is pretty easy.

55:19

You know, somebody that has a discitis

55:23

is going to have disc disease.

55:25

I mean, you rarely get

55:28

hematogenous involvement of the vertebral

55:31

body without involving the disc.

55:33

So the disc is involved in disc vertebral osteomyelitis.

55:37

I have only seen one case in my entire 35 year

55:41

career of a metastasis to a disc space.

55:45

So involvement of the disc combined with destruction

55:48

of the end plate like we showed you.

55:50

Now, in somebody with a met,

55:52

even if the met is right up against the endplate,

55:55

it'll usually be rather focal and confined to that area,

55:58

which is usually the posterior one third of

56:01

the vertebral body and/or the pedicle.

56:03

So it has a focality to it.

56:06

Now, it may be a mass with edema around it,

56:09

but you'll usually be able to see the mass in the middle

56:12

and then you'll be able to see the edema surrounding the mass.

56:15

And that edema will fade away,

56:17

but there will be a mass around it.

56:19

So the answer is focality for a metastasis.

56:22

Metastases don't involve disc spaces.

56:25

It's extremely rare.

56:27

And you'll often be able to spot

56:29

a mass in the middle column,

56:31

which is the posterior one-third of vertebral body,

56:34

or in the adjacent pedicle,

56:36

which is where metastases go.

56:38

Discospondylitis can go anywhere,

56:40

but it tends to like the middle and front,

56:43

whereas metastases like the posterior one-third back here.

56:50

Is DWI helpful for evaluating blood in the spine?

56:55

Is DWI helpful for evaluating blood in the spine?

57:00

Yes, it is.

57:02

And the reason is there's a lot of pulsation

57:04

that occurs in the spine,

57:06

and that pulsation leads to low signal

57:09

intensity on T2 imaging.

57:11

So if you're trying to...

57:12

if you're equivocating or trying to decide

57:15

between blood and a pulsation phenomenon,

57:17

the presence of diffusion restriction supports

57:20

the diagnosis of blood.

57:22

Also, diffusion restriction occurs in an abscess.

57:25

Remember that.

57:26

And sometimes an abscess can have low signal intensity

57:30

on T2 because it contains neutrophils,

57:33

and neutrophils contain peroxidases,

57:36

and peroxidases are paramagnetic.

57:38

So just because it's dark,

57:40

you're not off the hook in differentiating

57:42

blood from an abscess.

57:45

Let's try and get through two

57:47

more here in the time left.

57:50

Do you advise substituting routine STIR with

57:54

PDFS, sagittals in the acute trauma setting?

57:59

Do I advocate using STIR as opposed to PD fat suppression?

58:06

You know, as long as you have a high-quality

58:10

fat suppression, I don't mind if it's a spectroscopic type

58:13

like SPAIR, SPIR, or special,

58:16

or non-spectroscopic type like STIR,

58:19

which is used at lower field,

58:21

as long as you get quality fat suppression.

58:24

Often in those cases, time is of the essence.

58:27

The patients are uncomfortable.

58:29

So if you can expediently perform a STIR faster

58:33

and that's all you've got in your scanner,

58:35

that's going to get the job done.

58:40

Okay, last one here,

58:42

and I'm sorry to everyone that we

58:43

couldn't get to these questions.

58:46

There are so many coming in.

58:47

But the last question,

58:49

For CSF leaks is IV contrast

58:52

of any value in diagnosing?

58:54

For CSF leaks,

58:57

I mean, I suppose it could be of some value

59:00

in a weird scenario,

59:01

but the answer to that question is an overriding no.

59:04

Most of the time,

59:05

these are traumatic or they are post-operative

59:08

or perioperative.

59:14

Okay. Thank you so much, Dr. Pomeranz.

59:16

I'm going to let Ashley take us out.

59:18

Thank you all.

59:19

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59:21

Dr. Pomeranz, for your time today.

59:23

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59:25

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59:26

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59:33

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59:38

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59:43

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59:53

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Stephen J Pomeranz, MD

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