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Okay, let's take a 63-year-old man
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who's had prior surgery in the lumbar region.
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I'm here with my colleague,
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neurosurgeon and neuroimager,
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Dr. Malcolm Schupeck.
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And we've got a problem that is illustrated on a sagittal T2,
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a sagittal non-contrast T1, and an axial T2.
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I will also show the axial T1 in a minute.
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And the patient has been instrumented.
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So, we'll start off with some easy stuff.
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Not going to talk about the degree of disc desiccation
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and changes in disc space height.
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We're going to focus primarily on the
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postoperative scenario. And yes,
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there is an abnormal area of disc displacement at the L4-5
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level, but it's pretty concentric all the way around.
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So let's stick with the main findings,
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which are the area of instrumentation and this very large
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collection. So let's begin with instrumentation.
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Typically, and you're an expert at this,
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I'm talking from the radiologic perspective,
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you usually like to instrument and fuse
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with bone or with some other material.
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And then you have to consider all three columns of the
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spine. Now, not in every case, as we both know,
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there are some non-invasive procedures in people with
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isolated fractures where you don't have to
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stabilize all three columns of the spine.
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But in general, when you're looking at the lumbar region,
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you should at least consider the three columns.
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Now, in this case,
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the patient has had bipedicular
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screw placement at two levels.
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And it looks like they went in pretty much from the back,
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which would be called a PLIF, which stands for what?
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Posterior lumbar interbody fusion.
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So that IF is going to be interbody,
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meaning that's going to be an approach where something
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is put in the disc space to bridge the disc space.
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So what's put in there typically well,
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usually what is put in is you're trying to get a bony
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fusion. Okay. And when these things first started out,
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that's exactly what they did is they did a laminectomy,
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took the bone shards and just shoved it in there,
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but it didn't work that well.
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What is now done is there are instruments which would be a
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cage or spacer that you can put bone in and
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then other stuff to help bone growth,
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like bone morphogenetic protein or something BMP.
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So the cage is structural,
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meaning the cage bears some weight until the
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bone fuses through the cage is the idea.
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Okay,
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so you're trying to get some sort of interbody fusion.
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So how you get the cage in there can vary.
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So posterior in this case,
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the laminectomy has been done and the cage has been put in
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from anterior to posterior. You can come from the side,
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which would be transverse lumbar interbody fusion,
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where you take the facet off and try to kind of slide
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it in, transforaminal. So that would go this way,
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that way more. So that would be a TLIF.
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A TLIF. Okay. This is a PLIF.
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A PLIF. Now,
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this is a unilateral PLIF in the sense that there's
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one cage. You used to see both two cages.
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People are going to one cage,
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and the cage morphologies are getting more complex.
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They're kind of curved and try to slide them
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across and stuff like that.
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Okay. Now,
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you can also do something called an XLIF,
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extreme Lateral that uses a flank approach,
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and that's an interbody be up here,
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but it doesn't go from back in.
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It goes from out here.
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They push the psoas back or go through the psoas.
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So they go, put a giant tube right on the side,
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drill a hole in the disc space,
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and put a big cage so you can tell that one because
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the cage is this big, rectangular thing.
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Yeah.
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And you could see that there's no way you could
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get it in from the back.
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Okay, just remember,
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when you point to the screen, they can't see.
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Right. Sorry. No worries.
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That's what you're here for.
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Yeah, that's what I'm here for.
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So this would be yeah, extreme lateral approach.
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Okay. Transpsoas approach.
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And so that way you're not violating the
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spinal canal at all. On the other hand,
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a lot of these people who need that procedure
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also need a posterior decompression.
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So a very common thing to see is this XLIF approach,
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big cage from this approach that Dr.
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Pomeranz just showed you with that red arrow.
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And that's this way, right?
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And then augmented by posterior transpedicular screws
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through a minimally invasive percutaneous approach.
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Okay. So over the last seven to eight years,
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this is a really common approach.
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Eight or ten years ago, still very common.
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That is posterior decompression,
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doing everything from the back.
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Transpedicular screws cage goes in from the back.
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But in the last number of years,
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you've seen these combined approaches
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using the transpsoas approach,
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cage in the front and then percutaneous screws in the
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back. So you're going to see all combinations.
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So just to be clear,
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this patient did not have this XLIF, which is newer,
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with pedicular screws in the back.
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They had pedicular screws in the back.
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They came in from the back with a PLIF.
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And instead of doing two cages,
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which has been standard in the past,
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they just put in one cage.
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And it's on the right side.
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Now, you can see, though, right,
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looking at the cage trajectory right there,
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that in order to do this,
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you'd have to retract the sac, right.
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Because your cage is right in front of the sac.
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And here's a sac over here.
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Okay. Well, it's over here.
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It's kind of not supposed to be.
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I guess we'll get to that in a moment.
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Right. But at any rate, it's in front of the sac.
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So you retract the sac, whereas a TLIF,
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one of the goals of that is you're coming out lateral
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enough that you're not disturbing or retracting the sac.
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Okay. So, TLIF, just to be clear for the audience,
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a TLIF would be going this way.
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Don't confuse that with what we were discussing before,
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which is the XLIF, which is coming?
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This one, right? Yeah. So the facet, if you have a TLIF,
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they're going to go. Trans take that down.
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So if you have an intact facet, okay,
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that's one way to figure out whether it's a TLIF or not.
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The angle coming in from lateral,
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but also whether it is a trans facet procedure as opposed
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to going right through the canal and retracting
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the sac over. So once you see it there,
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you have to kind of reconstruct in your
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mind how it had to get there.
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Because if you see something that there's no way you could
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put in from behind, you know, an anterior procedure.
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So let me ask you a couple of questions
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and then in a separate section,
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we're going to take on what's wrong with this case.
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I want to ask you a few questions.
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First of all, the cages typically metal or carbon cages,
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but they also have plastic cages too, right?
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Yeah, there's a number of different materials.
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There's carbon fiber, there's some titanium cages.
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There's something called PEEK, PEEK,
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which is a kind of plastic material.
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So there's a number of things that they can be made of and
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there's generations, there's iterations going way back.
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It used to be that there would be titanium kind of
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mesh cages. So you'll see these in older things,
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but they keep moving forward.
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Then there's conical ones. Right.
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So if you want to restore lordosis,
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and that's something people want to do.
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Sagittal balance is a big issue in
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spine reconstructive surgery.
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So now there's these shaped cages that you would put in
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from the front to restore lordosis or do
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something else that you want to do.
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Well, no, it would be like this.
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You would put in a conical cage like this.
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Okay. And so that helps you restore lordosis,
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a wedge shape. That's correct.
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Okay. So it'd be more like this.
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And that's because there's now a lot bigger
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appreciation of the alignment,
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the sagittal alignment of the spine and
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how important it is in the long term.
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So now all these options have been developed to allow you
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to kind of taper and reconstruct and restore the kind
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of alignment that you want.
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My last question,
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and you clarified this for me earlier,
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but I think it's good to clarify for the audience.
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The pedicle screw should be aligned with the course
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of the pedicle, with the trajectory of the pedicle.
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And there's a little bit of controversy in the radiologic
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versus the neurosurgical literature.
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The radiologic literature says you shouldn't
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really have any cortical perforation.
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And we discussed before a little bit of cortical
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perforation is probably okay as long as you're not
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touching any special structures like the
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aorta or the iliacs or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Meaning that if I read one of these things and the screw
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is sticking out here anteriorly and it's through,
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I don't say, hey, your screw is too long.
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Okay?
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I say there is bicortical purchase of that screw because
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there are surgeons who try to get bicortical purchase.
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Okay.
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Now the other thing is these are transpedicular screws.
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But there is also a kind of newer root trajectory
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that goes from inside out.
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Like this.
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Okay. And you say, well.
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What's happening here? Cortical bone screws.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So you're going to start seeing those not as commonly,
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there's a lot more pedicle screws out there,
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but a lot of sophisticated spine surgeries are now
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adopting that approach of these laterally directed screws.
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So before you start commenting on
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trajectory, is this good, is this bad?
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You kind of have to start to understand these operations
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a little bit and what the goal is.
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Because remember what we're trying to tell people.
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They're scanning somebody because they had an
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operation and something's not going right.
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So we're trying to help them understand what's going on.
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And to do that,
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you have to understand what the intent was.
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One of the questions that they want is,
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was the intent of the operation achieved?
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Sure. Okay. Other thing, could it be the wrong operation?
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Was there's all kinds of permutations?
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But that's one is,
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was the technical goals of the operation achieved?
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But so you have to know what operation was
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being attempted. So just to summarize,
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we've talked about the PLIF and the newer variations
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of the PLIF, the TLIF, the XLIF.
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There's also an ALIF where they come in from the front.
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They actually have to do a laparotomy, right?
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Yeah.
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Although those are done usually retroperitoneal approach
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of some sort, and endoscopically a lot these days.
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Okay. So they're anterior approaches.
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You can do big, open anterior approaches,
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but they've gotten more and more minimally invasive.
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The big thing you're going to see in surgery these days,
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I just got back from the AS meeting,
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is so-called MIS spine, minimally invasive spine.
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So you're going to see all of these sort of
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approaches working through endoscopes,
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working through small incisions instead of big,
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open incisions,
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and getting instrumentation in their various ways without
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the kind of soft tissue injuries we used to see in these
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big midline incisions. Great. Let's stop there.
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And then in part two,
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we're going to talk about what's wrong with this patient.
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